I’ve seen a lot of crap lately about how pro-lifers believe that rape is God’s will. No we don’t. Some do, but a lot of us believe thats totally wrong. Rape is horrible. Rape is a sin. God does not plan or will for someone to get raped. I don’t believe that. Rape is 100% the fault of the rapist and is WRONG and NOT PART OF GOD’S PLAN. We have free will. God gave us free will. Some people completely abuse their free will and treat other people horribly.
That being said, I still don’t believe abortion is acceptable even in cases of rape. It is not the baby’s fault the rape happened. Don’t make the baby into a victim too. Two wrongs do not make a right.
So you are willing to force someone to go through PTSD, being violated again and again by the rapist, having the control of their body taken away against their will every day for the next 9+ months after that traumatic incident?
We’re not “punishing the baby”. We’re helping the mother- PTSD is very real, very dangerous, and very deadly.
No exceptions for rape, hunh? So I have an idea. For every unwanted embryo you want to save, why don’t we force you down, and implant them into your body? You dont get a say on how it gets there, nor the outcome. Any takers?
Not to mention that the rapist, even if he’s been tried AND convicted, which is a tiny little fraction of rapists, still has custody rights on a child that is born and can and will use that to torture the rape victim (or even black mail her into refusing to press charges on him), rape her again, and possibly hurt the children. Being found with marijuana means losing your kids, but apparently if you violently rape someone you’re still pretty safe to be around children. Apparently.
So tell me some more about how rape victims need to just continue that rape for their entire lives by being forced to carry and raise a child they never wanted? The only thing YOU want seems to be for that rape victim to suffer as much as humanly possible!
See also: Pennsylvania Republicans want to cut food stamp benefits for families that have new babies unless the mom proves she was raped. SERIOUSLY.
A pregnant 16-year-old in the Dominican Republic died from complications of leukemia, according to CNN. The young woman was forced to wait nearly three weeks to begin chemotherapy to treat her disease as hospital officials initially refused to treat her fearing it could terminate her pregnancy. In the end she lost her life and the pregnancy, and may have died because of the delay in her treatment.
Under an amendment to the Dominican Republic’s constitution which declares that “life begins at conception,” abortion is banned, effectively for any reason. The girl’s leukemia was diagnosed when she was just nine weeks pregnant.
Dominican women’s health advocates told RH Reality Check this afternoon that while the doctors and the state refused to allow the girl treatment for leukemia, they made her undergo “ultrasounds to show that the baby was healthy and for her to see it moving.”
This is fucking horrible, and we could see a lot more headlines like this if the pro-life movement had their way.
What’s so “pro-life” about letting the mother and the fetus die?
But the point is that the baby was born and now has been given life…oh…wait…no…they’re both dead now.
Pro-lifers, I want you to bask in this because this is what you want. This is your fault so own it. Stand up and take responsibility and be proud about what you’ve accomplished in this case: a dead 16-year-old girl and a dead fetus and a grieving family.
This year, Virginia became the 8th state requiring a woman to get an ultrasound before having an abortion. #ProLife (Taken with Instagram)
Typical of anti-choicers not to understand or care about consent.
Typical of anti-choicers not to understand or care about the increased cost to patients and clinics, forcing clinics to cut down on non-abortion services.
Typical of anti-choicers not to understand or care about how waiting periods negatively affect people’s jobs and child care, or put people in danger from abusive partners.
Typical of anti-choicers not to understand or care about adding to the “trauma” of abortion they love to crow about.
Typical of condescending, paternalistic anti-choicers not to trust us to make our own decisions on our own time.
Oh yeah, I’m definitely feeling that pro-life love.
By taking bodily autonomy away from women!
And murdering abortion providers!
And bombing clinics!
And removing federal funding for breast exams and cervical cancer screenings simply because the organization also provides abortions!
And by driving people who have had abortions/are faced with an unwanted pregnancy to take their own lives by making them feel ashamed and calling them murdering whores etc !
And by causing people to die from illegal abortions and justifying it by saying it’s their fault for seeking an abortion in the first place!
By forcing people to give birth and telling them they should shut up because if they have an uterus, then having babies is your only purpose in life.
By taking bodily autonomy away from women and other people capable of being pregnant!*
But yes, we have a very good understanding of the pro-life movement. That’s why we call it anti-choice.
Just don’t do it.
You’re either pro-choice or anti-woman. There is no “other.”
Can a woman be “anti-woman”? I’m pro-choice and all, but still. I hear so much shit from people who claim to be pro-choice but then bash women for keeping their accidental pregnancies. That’s the point of “choice”. Do whatever the fuck you want, including keeping the child.
yeah, I feel like telling a woman she is anti-woman is actually anti-woman. So fuck that
Checked my sources, looks like he’s a dude. Ok.
A woman can be anti-woman. Look up: internalized misogyny
If people are bashing others for keeping their accidental pregnancies, they’re not pro-choice.
Pro-life does not equal anti-woman as pro-life is much more than a stance on abortion. Being pro-life is about helping those that don’t have as much as we do or are in bad situations to find help, get out of the situation and lead a better life. Being pro-life is about respecting human dignity in all shapes and sizes.
Also, having a baby is not restricting your rights. Women are made to give birth! It’s an inherent gift that only women have. Giving up that inherent gift makes you just like the men in the world. Man, Feminism isn’t at all what I thought it was. I thought Feminism was taking your gifts and your womanhood and using it to make a difference in the world. You are not Feminists. You’re selfish and you don’t understand what life is and I feel sorry for you because life is such a beautiful thing.
Alright. So, as a doula, I feel like I need to respond to this as I value pregnancy and birth MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE — and plan to make my fucking living accompanying people through it.
Being able to have babies is absolutely a privilege and a gift — but it is not a necessity. It is not something everyone wants to do, and it’s certainly not something anyone should be forced into doing.
Going to Disney World is a gift too, but if you’re being bound and gagged and forced against your will, YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE A BAD TIME.
Femininity and womanhood are NOT defined by pregnancy and birth. Femininity and womanhood are an intangible thing that are not “revoked” if one isn’t behaving in a way that is socially deemed “ladylike”. Implying such works to invalidate the identities of trans*women, women who have fertility issues, women without uteri, and women who choose not to have children.
Treating women like incubators and expecting them to do their “womanly duty” and bring gaggles of children into the world is NOT feminism. It’s just misogyny in disguise. My inherent value as a woman does not come from my ability to bear children, it comes from being a fucking human being.
so happyonaccident is saying that giving birth is what women are made for…
Also, if pro-life is really what you pretend, then start acting like it. As far as I see, pro-lifers aren’t doing shit for born people, except stripping women of their rights to basic physical integrity and endangering their health. That’s why they earned themselves the ”anti-choice” label.
Yeah, ladies, you’re so /selfish/ for wanting to run your own lives and have a say in what happens to your body. And that’s why faux feminists like happyonaccident are anti-choice, because you don’t think pregnant people matter, you think they should sacrifice themselves for the sake of your faulty moral framework. Now that is selfish.
We protect the rainforest, whales, trees, and bald eagles because they’re endangered.
“Unborn babies” (fetuses) are not.
And our environment will survive without more of them to later on kill the first four.
Seriously. Plants and animals are necessary for the survival of our ecosystem, and keeping them in balance is important to keeping all living things happier and healthier. Fetuses? Not so much.
-looks at picture- Hey, look, more pro-life garbage calling for the regulation of pregnant people’s bodies. Like they were animals or plants. Charming.
You have all my sympathies for wanting a child but being unable to have one. Truly. Let me make that perfectly clear.
However, I, a fertile white woman, don’t owe you shit. So if I get pregnant before I’m ready and need an abortion, you don’t get to tell me I should give the child to you instead. That’s incredibly selfish of you. Go adopt any of the hundreds of thousands of children already waiting to be adopted and stop harassing pregnant people, and maybe try doing something to fix the racism, ageism, and ableism your “solution” encompasses.
How can someone stand behind abortion, when you have a life inside of you that God created for you? How can you say that this life isn’t worth it? If you can’t take care of the baby for whatever circumstances than there is always adoption available to couples who can’t conceive, but still want the joy of being parents. OPEN YOUR EYES! God has bigger plans for us all that we don’t even realize the picture.
Excuse me but it appears your baby is actually upside down
Did you take Sex Ed freshman year because babies come out headfirst
Hi, OP! As someone who was given up for adoption, allow me to call bullshit on your little post there! You see, when I was adopted, I was a white-skinned, healthy, neurotypical infant, which basically put me at the top of the list, right underneath white-skinned, healthy, neurotypical MALE infants! There’s only one kind of infant people wanted to adopt more than me! I was SOOO lucky! But if you actually bothered to look at the information readily available on the interwebs, you would be aware that the majority of people who are forced to rely on abortion for family planning are poor people and people of color. Of course, those two demographics intersect, thanks to the institutionalized racism of our society! Neat huh?!
Of course, even babies of color are not in high demand with couples looking to adopt. Many who do want to adopt outside their race choose to go outside the country, where laws are less strict and the process is often less expensive. Of course, most of the infants adopted this way are obtained in unscrupulous fashion, but who cares about that when you’re saving a little Korean or African baby from the horrible fate of growing up in Korea or Africa??? And all those children who have birth defects, are born with diseases or disabilities, or have other issues… WELL. Who wants to invest that kind of expense and time? Why would you adopt someone broken, LOLOL?!
Granted, there are some wonderful people who understand the system a little better, and make it a point to try and give POC and disabled children a good home. But they make up a very small fraction of potential adopters! This difference in supply and demand leaves a lot of children stuck in the foster system, where their chances of being adopted diminish with every passing year, and their chances of being physically or sexually abused INCREASE! Isn’t that wonderful?
And of course, we haven’t even talked about the person who is giving birth to the baby! I know you probably think pregnancy is a wonderful, happy time, and for some people it is, but it is also one of the greatest health risks a person can take. I love my son very much, and from the day I found out I was pregnant with him, I wanted him! But I also nearly died giving birth to him. You see, I had pre-eclampsia, the most commonly fatal birth complication in the world. My blood pressure was 180 over 130! At twenty-two years old, I was actually headed for a stroke, hah hah! How funny is that? And all it took was missing a single pre-natal appointment during which my blood pressure rose to dangerous levels and my body tried to kill both me and my son. Those seizures sure were fun, as was the emergency c-section performed without anesthetic! And being chained down while the operation was performed, because I was delirious and wouldn’t stop trying to fight off the doctors, that was a BLAST! It was great for my husband too, since he almost lost his wife and child in just forty-five minutes. You can imagine how thrilled he is at the prospect of me ever getting pregnant again. Babies are certainly cute, but pregnancy can have massive health complications, and I know it’s such a bummer, but they are PERMANENT. :( My abdominal muscles never recovered from being hacked through with a scalpel, and the flood of hormones caused by late pregnancy have changed things from heartburn (never used to have it, now, all the time!) to my emotional reactions (I cry when I see pictures of kittens now. I used to be tough). These are changes I did not ask for, cannot control, and cannot fix! And many people go through worse! I know, right? Unbelievable, but go look up the word ‘episiotomy’ and then look up ‘birth rape’ and I’m afraid you’ll find some stuff that just isn’t very shiny. Plus, the studies actually show that people who carry a baby to term, give birth, then give it up for adoption suffer HIGHER rates of post-pregnancy complications like post-partum depression and post-partum psychosis, general depression, and other mental health issues. Adoption actually isn’t good for the person giving birth at all!
I’m afraid the picture you chose to use there is also pretty disingenuous. I know, I know, it seems like nitpicking. I’m not trying to be mean! :( But that picture shows a fully developed, viable infant, and most abortions are performed when the fetus isn’t even a fetus - it’s a blastocyst. That’s just a clump of cells. Seriously! You can totally find pictures on the interwebs and they’re not even gross, LOLOL! Later-term abortions are usually performed because of health complications, though some of our intrepid state legislators are trying to change all that! They care so much about people who are pregnant, you see, that they want to force them to carry dead or dying fetuses inside them until their body either becomes infected while it rots in their tummies (this is called sepsis, and it makes people very sick, and can even kill them!), or forces it out naturally in a gush of blood and fluids! Isn’t that so caring of them? I’m so glad they’re around to make those decisions for me! And if a pregnant person is not allowed to terminate an unviable fetus, in some states, they have to carry the child to term, give birth to it, and then watch it die in their arms because its lungs weren’t developed, or its brain formed outside its skull, or any of a million possible birth defects that will kill you just as quick as lickity-split! Isn’t that wild?! Of course, these people go through terrible grief, and as I mentioned, some of them may get sick and die from not being able to abort dead or dying fetuses. But I guess that’s just A-okay with you, huh?
Basically, I think before you suggest adoption as a universal alternative, you should actually go do some research on adoption. And before you condemn abortion, you should do some research on abortions - not the stuff your church is giving you, the stuff the real doctors are saying. Go to Planned Parenthood (if they haven’t all been closed down, ROFLMAO!) and request whatever information they have on the process, the statistics of who has abortions and why… and actually, all of that is on the interwebs! Isn’t technology AMAZING?
And in closing, since I’ve been asked this question many times and I know it’s coming? Yes, I realize I am here talking to you because I was not aborted. But the thing is, if my mother had chosen abortion, I wouldn’t know the difference, so it wouldn’t matter to me. And if she decided that choice was best for her, then that choice would have been best for her, and I would never want to take that choice away from her. As it is, since I was given up for adoption, and since I have seen the statistics on how badly people who give their children up for adoption suffer, I have spent much of my adult life worrying about her, whether she’s healthy, whether she’s okay, and feeling that if she did suffer from any of the common post-birth symptoms, it is at least partially my fault, even though she made that decision on her own. Which is silly, I know, but at some point, all children have to stare down the consequences of their parents’ having them. For some, that’s poverty. For others, a life-time of their parents struggling to treat and care for a severe illness or disability. For others, it’s wondering if their mother ever got over giving them away, and wishing you could reach out and assure her that it’s okay, she doesn’t have to be haunted.
May your birth control never fail!
A senior Vatican cleric has defended the excommunication of the mother and doctors of a nine-year-old girl who had an abortion in Brazil after allegedly being raped by her stepfather.
The regional archbishop, Jose Cardoso Sobrinho, pronounced excommunication for the mother for authorising the operation and doctors who carried it out for fear that the slim girl would not survive carrying the foetuses to term. [Not that you need a fucking excuse for giving a nine year old girl, a FUCKING NINE YEAR OLD GIRL WHO WAS RAPED, an abortion, because PREGNANCY WILL ALWAYS BE VERY FUCKING UNHEALTHY FOR A CHILD, that’s not even including the fucking psychological issues of being raped and having to give birth to rape babies WHEN YOU ARE STILL A BABY YOURSELF]
He also said the accused stepfather would not be expelled from the church. Although the man allegedly committed “a heinous crime … the abortion - the elimination of an innocent life - was more serious”. [Saving a girl’s life and health is apparently worse than being a rapist, but then forgiveness of rapists is actually extremely common amongst Christianity, with the Vatican being the prime example itself.]
The girl, who was not identified because she is a minor, was last week found to be four months pregnant after being taken to hospital suffering stomach pains.
Officials said she told them she had suffered sexual abuse by her stepfather since the age of six.
Police said the 23-year-old stepfather also allegedly sexually abused the girl’s physically handicapped 14-year-old sister.
In case you ever forget it: All anti-choicers are scum to me, without question.